Boortz Poll: Are pre-existing conditions the responsibility of taxpayers?

[Topic Starter]

From Boortz (read below), do you agree? Anonymous poll.

I got an email last week from some character who thought that the Democrats takeover of health care was "all good." Why? Because this guy happened to have a pre-existing condition and couldn't get health insurance. This letter is all-too typical of the way far too many Americans think. He has a problem and his problem should, according to him anyway, be our problem. Well, know what? That sucks. Nobody is happy he has heart disease. Fact is, though, that we don't ALL live in life boats .. and the mere existence of his medical misfortune (or whatever he wants to call it) in no way constitutes a lien on the life or property of any other American. He seemed to have the attitude that because HE has a problem everyone else in this country out to set their freedoms and their right to their property aside until HIS problem is taken care of. Well .. I have a problem with that. So should you .. but this thinking is pervasive in America today, and it's dragging our country toward tyranny.

[Hede A]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah! The Republican Health Care plan is far superior:

The Republican Health Plan:

1. Don't get sick

2. If you DO get sick

3. DIE QUICKLY.

Thanks to Rep Grayson, FL

So, did you offer any assistance on euthanasia for the poor sap with heart disease or did you leave that part up to him?

Ha!

Oh wait, actually we shouldn't be kidding around when discussing people's heart conditions.

Oh wait, we don't actually CARE about anybody's heart condition!

Then, DOUBLE HA: Ha Ha!

And then Jesus wept.

[Opeth]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah! The Republican Health Care plan is far superior:

The Republican Health Plan:

1. Don't get sick

2. If you DO get sick

3. DIE QUICKLY.

Thanks to Rep Grayson, FL

So, did you offer any assistance on euthanasia for the poor sap with heart disease or did you leave that part up to him?

Ha!

Oh wait, actually we shouldn't be kidding around when discussing people's heart conditions.

Oh wait, we don't actually CARE about anybody's heart condition!

Then, DOUBLE HA: Ha Ha!

And then Jesus wept.

Shoot, the GOP's program rocks. Admit it.

My opinion, both sides plan pretty much suck. Yet, to deny we need a health-care overhaul, is pretty well.....ignorant of any person to say.

Hede,

No to abortions! Yet, if you cant afford to raise the child and provide it with health-care. Well, you're just out of luck. "Right to Life!" Might need to change the slogan.

[Rebelcause]

My opinion, both sides plan pretty much suck. Yet, to deny we need a health-care overhaul, is pretty well.....ignorant of any person to say.

Best thread post of 2010!

Yes, I can see into the future as well........
anywho, as well as all others......



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[Hede A]

Everyone knows that the persons who are currently being denied health care insurance due to pre-existing conditions will soon be FORCED to purchase coverage. They're not magically going to get their coverage for "free."

I would think that a more logical argument could be made AGAINST the gov FORCING people to buy PRIVATE INSURANCE which is exactly what is going to happen if it goes through.

[jennifer]

Here's a thought that came to me on this subject:

A fella told me he heard of someone traveling around the world for work with his fam in tow. His son breaks his leg & they know their insurance does not cover out of country doctors, so they get the treatment he needed and braced themselves for the bill.

X-ray, MRI, cast & follow-up: $386.

So, why does it cost ten times that for the same treatment here?
Overpriced health care seems to be our problem.
If the costs were reasonably priced and not inflated, we wouldn't be in such a crisis.

[Spooky]

1. Trial lawyers and frivilous malpractice suits that cost billions. The cost for malpractice insurance is passed on to us, not paid by doctors. Trial lawyers don't run other countries like they do the U.S.
2. Third party payers - if peoples' insurance pays almost all the bill, there is no incentive for patients to cost-shop. There is no need for doctors/hospitals to compete.
3. Healthcare quality is better here.
Etc.

Yes, there is a problem (crisis is too strong a word) and it can be solved without bureaucrats and the government becoming your nanny.

[wkdmma]

From Boortz (read below), do you agree? Anonymous poll.

I got an email last week from some character who thought that the Democrats takeover of health care was "all good." Why? Because this guy happened to have a pre-existing condition and couldn't get health insurance. This letter is all-too typical of the way far too many Americans think. He has a problem and his problem should, according to him anyway, be our problem. Well, know what? That sucks. Nobody is happy he has heart disease. Fact is, though, that we don't ALL live in life boats .. and the mere existence of his medical misfortune (or whatever he wants to call it) in no way constitutes a lien on the life or property of any other American. He seemed to have the attitude that because HE has a problem everyone else in this country out to set their freedoms and their right to their property aside until HIS problem is taken care of. Well .. I have a problem with that. So should you .. but this thinking is pervasive in America today, and it's dragging our country toward tyranny.

Sick. Sicko. Yes, yes.... just let the poor guy die.

I just hope BOORTZ is never in the same boat. He'd probably view things a whole lot differently if he were.

I wonder... i wonder if he might happen to have a loved one, in danger of losing their insurance, who also happens to have terminal cancer. I wonder... if it were BOORTZ or his PARENT or CHILD and this was the only way of being able to get possible life saving treatment they needed if HE would feel differently?

I personally don't give a damn about Dems or Reps, i just want SOMETHING to change and if it saves lives by my having to pay more out of my pocket, God Bless America. I'd much rather my taxes be towards something of this nature than finding out what color the sand on Mars is, like any of us are planning on planting crops there. RUBBISH!

Maybe the real answer should be attacking the health care system itself... if other countries can find a way to make it work, and they don't seem to have any issues with it (don't see most of them running to get into our country), why can't we? Ohhhh, wait... that means we might have to pay a bit more in taxes. Pfft.

[wkdmma]

And then Jesus wept.

I also wonder if Boortz would like to explain this callousness if Jesus were to print out this topic he started.

[Cassie]

Wkd, you should talk to people in Morocco, England, Canada, like I have. Believe me, they are not happy with their health care system which doesn't care about them at all.

[Spooky]

wkd, your compassion is touching, but think of the logic (or lack of it) in what you say. If your house is on fire, do you then go get insurance? If you crash your car, do you then go get insurance? If taxpayers cover pre-existing, then nobody will get insurance!

Welfare was a compassionate idea also. Look at how it has ruined so many families.

NOT TO MENTION IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS CAN BE!

[Opeth]

wkd, your compassion is touching, but think of the logic (or lack of it) in what you say. If your house is on fire, do you then go get insurance? If you crash your car, do you then go get insurance? If taxpayers cover pre-existing, then nobody will get insurance!

Welfare was a compassionate idea also. Look at how it has ruined so many families.

NOT TO MENTION IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AS CAN BE!

So, what about the countless UNCONSTITUTIONAL policies you and your buddies sit here and defend endless? Here's your logic(or lack of it).

"The Constitution is okie dokie in my book." This happens when it helps defend your argument as to why you don't want this/that happening in America.

"The Constitution, what Constitution?" Actually, you don't act as if it even exists.

So, now that is out of the way. Do you believe the health-care system needs a makeover, revamping, over-haul, etc.? Whatever term you want to use.

[Tumbleweed]

Obama now has a 36% approval rating on his health care debacle and the reps and senators can see the writing on the walls. They do not want to face the voter's wrath just so Obama can have a health care medal to pin on his shirt.

64% of us do not want the government controling our healthcare choices.

[Spooky]

So, what about the countless UNCONSTITUTIONAL policies you and your buddies sit here and defend endless? Here's your logic(or lack of it).


Start a new thread, name ONE unconstitutional idea that I support, and then tell why it's unconstitutional. Back it up, buddy.

[Sybil Niemann]

Back to the original topic of pre-existing conditions; many pre-existing conditions are brought on by poor choices, such as obesity, sedentary lifestyle, smoking, etc. Those people who are fortunate to have health insurance have been subsidizing these conditions in others for years, in the form of ever-escalating insurance premiums, higher doctors' fees, etc. If you think you hurt only yourself with your lifestyle, think again. We all pay.

[Spooky]

Liberals like to say that the government should not be in your bedroom. Well, guess what. With government healthcare, since "everyone" will be paying for your healthcare, the government will be in your kitchen, your fitness center, your doctor's office, and everywhere else.
Look at all the idiot locations that are banning trans fats etc.

[Hede A]

Sybil, this reminds me of car insurance! Everyone's car insurance keeps raising because of all the sue happy get rich quickers who jump at the chance to get a payout for fender benders. As I get older, I find more and more people who admit to getting "setttlements" from car insurance companies for their ???pain and suffering??? or whatever the excuse is at the time. Yeah, right! They are certainly not in pain or are doing any suffering. I'd like to give em some pain and suffering!

Crookedness!

But, what is so sad is when the people who have received these payouts are PROUD of themselves and brag about how much they stiffed the insurance agencies!

I mean count up how many folks YOU know who have received "settlements!" It's getting to be run of the mill!

But hey, "get rich quick" is the American way, right? Greediness is bred into the culture. You can see it just from reading a lot of the posts on GCN!

[Tumbleweed]

Hede, you are correct.

Now imagine what it will be like when 19% of our economy is collected in taxes to "pay for" all of the health services of the country. There will be a few bureaucrats with an enormous amount of power controlling all of that wealth. Just wait and see what it's like when the public starts gaming that system and committing fraud on a government health system.

[Hede A]

Obama now has a 36% approval rating on his health care debacle and the reps and senators can see the writing on the walls. They do not want to face the voter's wrath just so Obama can have a health care medal to pin on his shirt.

64% of us do not want the government controling our healthcare choices.

Oh no no no they prefer to leave their healthcare choices up to their insurance companies! Woot! Woot!

[Hede A]

Hede, you are correct.

Now imagine what it will be like when 19% of our economy is collected in taxes to "pay for" all of the health services of the country. There will be a few bureaucrats with an enormous amount of power controlling all of that wealth. Just wait and see what it's like when the public starts gaming that system and committing fraud on a government health system.

As opposed to a few billionaire corporate cronies who have an enormous amount of power and are controlling that wealth! Woot! Woot!

[Tumbleweed]

There is a very basic difference that you are overlooking. An insurance company is a private business and if you don't like the way they are behaving or you disagree with their decisions you can fire them and hire a different company.

When the government siezes control of our healthcare system they are the last stop with ultimate control and you have no other choice. You will not even have the choice of purchasing services with your own $$$$. That's life and death and you have no other options.